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Srila Prabhupada often made reference to the fact that both in beginner’s maths as well as advanced mathematics, two plus two is always equal to four. While advanced mathematics can be extremely complicated it can also be very wrong if the basic principles of simple maths are not adhered to. Likewise the same principle applies to relationships and if we fail to get the basics right in our relationships we will forever struggle with them. The most fundamental relationship that we need to get right is our relationship with the supreme Lord and His creation. Sastra informs us;

jivera ’svarupa’ haya—krsnera ‘nitya-dasa’

“The living entity’s constitutional position is to be an eternal servant of Krsna”

As with the two plus two analogy, if we are either resisting or plain rebelling against our constitutional position as Krsna’s eternal servant then as well as our relationship with Krsna being askew all other relationships will be impacted as well. So the importance of getting our relationship right with Krishna cannot be over stated and in order for our relationship as an eternal servant of Krishna to be in good working order, we need to ensure that our relationship with His creation is in harmony too.

As the material energy is the property of the supreme Lord our relationship with it should be that we simply use it in His service only taking what we need for ourselves to facilitate our service to Him; tena tyaktena bhunjitha

If we can implement this principle into our lives then it will have a very positive effect on all our other relationships. Not least because if we can follow this principle of taking only what we need to keep body and soul together, we will be well on the way to becoming free of selfish motive which is a wonderful quality to bring to any relationship.

“So the whole Krishna consciousness movement is how to become dhira, selflessness. Then life is successful” SBL 1st March 1976

Another key quality of a relationship is its longevity and again this is perfectly reflected in our relationship with Krishna which of course is eternal. It is hard for us to fully grasp the extraordinary nature of an eternal relationship, one that is ever increasing, ever fresh and ever blissful. In the material realm it is often the short term, non committed relationships that people find attractive and appealing, the term one night stand comes to mind. Herein lays the inherent difference between the material and the spiritual, and for those of us who sincerely desire to return to the spiritual world we need to reject the foot loose and fancy free nature of these exploitative relationships and instead nurture relationships where we are givers rather than takers. There is arguably no better learning ground for nurturing such relationships than the grhastha asrama. Srila Prabhupada informs us that this asrama is a ‘licence for sense gratification’ but in reality the sense gratification gained (if the asrama is strictly honoured), pales into insignificance compared to the responsibility demanded (again if the asrama is properly honoured).

“Similarly, the householders, who have some license for sense gratification, perform such acts with great restraint……. ………This restricted, unattached sex life is also a kind of yajna because the restricted householder sacrifices his general tendency toward sense gratification for higher, transcendental life” Bg 4.26 Purport

“Those who take the license of married life for sense enjoyment must also take the responsibility to satisfy the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu, and the first stepping-stone is the varnasrama-dharma system. Varnasrama-dharma is the systematic institution for advancing in worship of Visuu” SB 3.13.11 Purport

It is interesting to note the inseparable connection between the grhasta asrama and varnasrama, again successful implementation of varnasrama depends so much on the relationships between all the varnas and asramas. Often times we get stuck on the form or field required for varnasrama and the model we almost exclusively focus on is the agrarian based one, which is of course very important. But the form and field are not the all in all, indeed in vedic times there were cities to – Hastinapura, Dvarka, Ayodhya etc., and they were all part of the varnasrama system. So in addition to form (structure), relationships are crucial and none more so than the grhasta relationship. And it is very clear that the main purpose of the grhasta asrama is not sense gratification but rather for husband and wife to render service to the supreme Lord. Naturally that service will be impeded if husband and wife are not peaceful in their asrama. If husband and wife maintain loyalty, fidelity and respect to each other then a peaceful marriage is assured. If loyalty and fidelity isn’t maintained it is often because we are attracted to someone else, usually someone younger or more attractive and obviously different. As these attractions are material, if acted on, they will prevent us from developing a closer relationship with Krishna, which ironically will provide us with all of the things we are chasing for, and think we can extract from, those short term material relationships. Relationships that inevitably mean we dishonour our commitments to our spouse, thus setting us back in our spiritual progression.

“When the wife is accepted as a sense gratificatory agency, personal beauty is the main consideration, and as soon as there is a break in personal sense gratification, there is disruption or divorce. But when husband and wife aim at spiritual advancement by mutual cooperation, there is no consideration of personal beauty or the disruption of so-called love. In the material world there is no question of love. Marriage is actually a duty performed in mutual cooperation as directed in the authoritative scriptures for spiritual advancement. Therefore marriage is essential in order to avoid the life of cats and dogs, who are not meant for spiritual enlightenment” SB 3.14.19 purport

If we want to avoid falling foul of Srila Prabhupada’s stringent words above, married couples should do whatever they can to ensure their marriage is successful. This of course requires flexibility, understanding, realism and tolerance, among other things. Often times we hear the charge that my marriage would be fine if my wife was more submissive but maybe she is doing exactly what she is supposed to do – following her husband’s example - of not being very submissive!

The analogy of the car and its driver is an interesting one in connection to the dynamic of the husband (driver) and wife (car) interrelation. As we are all constitutionally female;

“Just like if a female takes the part of a male and wants to imitate the enjoyment, it is simply false. Similarly, we are constitutionally female, enjoyed, prakrti” SBL 22nd August 1968

Those of us in male bodies need to perhaps work a little harder to avoid thinking we are the enjoyer, but a wife can help to both fulfil the husbands need to feel he is in control, while also keeping him firmly grounded, so that he doesn’t ever think he is the supreme controller! Just like when driving a car we assume a feeling of control not least because when we put our foot on the gas the car accelerates and when we put our foot on the brake the car stops and when we turn the steering wheel left the car turns left and vice a versa. However if we do not look after the car, giving it regular services, making sure it has the necessary fuel, replacing the tyres when worn etc., etc. then no matter how much we think we are in control, eventually we won’t be able to even get our car out of the garage! So the wise wife will give her husband all the respect he needs to maintain his self esteem and the wise husband will give all the love, care and attention that his wife needs for her to be able to continue to give him that respect.

We are so much in need of a healthy grhastha asrama because in many ways it is the most important asrama, not least because all members of the other asramas are produced from it. So if society is filled with exemplary grhasthas, then it will also be populated with exemplary brahmacaris and sannyasis etc.

“Marriage with a view to peaceful and virtuous life and with a view to procreate servants of the Lord is a good institution for a Vaisnava. Spiritual cultivation is the main object of life. Do everything that helps it and abstain from everything that thwarts the cultivation of the spirit.” Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura - Shree Caitanya Mahaprabhu: His Life and Precepts

One good barometer for knowing whether or not we are being successful in our grhasta life is to ask ourselves, are we learning to gradually renounce, not only our spouse and the ‘licence’ of the grhasta asrama, but have we also renounced all attraction to the opposite sex?

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By A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

On the 16th of February 1957 a meeting was held at the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan to discuss the above subject matter. Distinguished gentlemen from different categories spoke on the subject, but practically nobody could give us a definite direction as to what actually the matter was that was troubling the whole situation. This feeling of pinching in the existence of our life is a good sign for progress. It is an urge for enquiry what is the wrong in the world that gives us trouble?

This trouble is not a new thing but it is a matter of permanent settlement in all the days of life, but it may be felt at different times in different colour. The troubles are in varieties in relation with our mind and body, in relation with our dealings with other living beings and in relation with natural phenomenons.

The present pinching trouble of our political leaders in the matter of Kashmir affairs is a trouble in relation with our other friendly nations. Kashmir is a part of India, not only at present but it is so from a time immemorial but the Kashmir problem has arisen as a matter of course because the world is so created that must there exist some sort of trouble, may be it is in relation with the body or other living beings or the natural phenomenon. These troubles are like the forest fire. Fire takes place in the dense forest without any attempt by any living being. Nobody in the forest do want such fire, but it takes place without any demand.

When there is fire, the living beings in the forest are put into trouble and sometimes it so happens that most of the forest creatures die in that havoc. There is no fire brigade in the forest or on the top of a forest mountain and there is no hope for of extinguishing the fire by any human attempt. It takes by the natural laws, and it is extinguished by natural laws also, that is, when there is torrent of rains in the forest. That is the natural law and these laws are so rigid and stern that no human brain, however it may be powerful, can solve these problems of natural laws.

An intelligent person, who has actually developed some finer qualities of human consciousness, can understand that every law is made by an intelligent brain and behind every law there is the lawmaker who makes the law. So for all these natural laws, there is the Supreme Lawmaker, who is the Absolute Personality of Godhead. In the Bhagavad-g…t€ we have, therefore, information that natural laws are so stringent that they cannot be overcome by anybody. But whoever surrenders unto the Supreme Lord can overcome them. The king is the lawmaker and if he likes he can forgive a law-breaker by special prerogative of the king—by the ‘king’s mercy,’ but the king can do no wrong even if he sometimes breaks the law.

That is, an experience of a common man in the phenomenal world and the same thing is applicable in the matter of Supreme laws also. The natural laws are like police actions by the agents of Godhead. Men, who are too much captivated by the glamour of material beauty and tries to enjoy it falsely without acknowledgement of its Creator, are called demons. The stringent natural laws are meant for the criminals but not for the law-abiders. Therefore, the perfect answer to the question “What is the matter with the world?” is that men have become demons by breaking laws of God, and therefore they are being punished by the police action of material nature. That is the verdict of all scriptures and that is our day-to-day life’s experience. In the Bhagavad-gita a vivid description of the law-breaker demoniac men are given in the 16th chapter and such men are punished by the laws of God—are also maintained. Human civilizations are conducted in two ways.

One type of civilization can make every human being as much qualified as God is. And the other type of civilization can make every man no less than a jungle beast and thereby making this world unfit for human habitation. A human being is called a rational animal. When rationality is destroyed, the human being is left an ordinary animal. The difference between a human being and an animal is based on the strength of human being’s being above the animal propensities.

The animal part of a human being necessarily require food to eat, shelter to live in, protection from fear and gratification of senses. These four principles of life are common both to the man and the animals. But there is another thing which is specially meant for the human being. This is God-consciousness. This God-consciousness is conspicuous by absence in the animal life, while in the human life this God-consciousness is in dormant stage even in the society of the aborigines. This God-consciousness develops in different grades of human civilization in terms of particular place, time and persons. This God-consciousness is called Religion or Culture of Life without which no civilization can stand. The present day civilization is trying to avoid this God-consciousness of human life by artificial method of material science and forcible atheism. It is learnt from reliable sources that in an atheistic state, the village people were called in a meeting and were asked to pray in the church for daily bread.

The innocent villagers prayed in the church for daily bread, and when the prayer was over the state officers asked them whether breads were supplied. The village men replied that there was no bread. The atheist politicians asked them again to pray for bread from them (the statesmen) and bread was at once supplied. And by this method the innocent villagers were made victims of propaganda by atheistic politicians with the result that all the villagers became gradually faithless in God, because wrongly they accepted that the bread was supplied by the politicians and not by God.

The poor victims of such propaganda did not understand that the breads supplied by the politicians were not made by the father of the politicians but actually they were sent by God. No politician can manufacture bread without wheat. No wheat is produced without sun rays or rains from the sky. No rains are possible without obedience to God. No atheist can live and decry God without eating bread. And therefore whoever eats bread without acknowledging in gratitude of his indebtedness to God is certainly a demon and for such demons the stringent natural laws are meant for punishment.

A time is nearing when there will be no wheat paddy in the field and no politician will be able to make a quick supply of bread. The food problem is already acute. The atheistic civilization is to be troubled more and more with the progress of materialism. We have such foretellings in the pages of Srimad-Bhagavatam. The more the people are turning to the atheistic, the more things of disturbing elements do appear before us. And that is the thing which matters at present. This is a wrong type of civilization.

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“Tiger or President - Full of Anxiety”

By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

74/06/27 Melbourne, Bhagavad-gita 3.27

(Town Hall)

Srila Prabhupada: (leads chanting of “om namo bhagavate vasudevaya”)

prakrteh kriyamanani
gunaih karmani sarvasah
ahankara-vimudhatma
kartaham iti manyate
[Bg. 3.27]

Krsna says that all these living entities… We are all living entities… Actually, every one of us is spirit soul, living entities. It does not matter whether I am a human being or other than human being, lower animals, birds, beasts, trees or higher celestial beings. There are many varieties of life. 8,400,000. Nine… Jalaja nava-laksani. In the water there are living entities of 900,000 varieties. We simply know that there are some fishes and crocodiles or sharks in the water, but sastra, Vedic sastras, they give definite information, how many forms and varieties of life are there within the water: 900,000. How many we have seen? Our scientists, our botanists, how many they have seen? So actually you cannot have perfect knowledge by the experimental method.

Now, if I say… I don’t say, but the sastra says there are 900,000 forms of aquatics. So you cannot say no because you have no experience. You have no experience. But from the sastra, Vedic literature, we get this information, Padma Purana. We are not speaking unauthorizedly. The sastras are accepted by the acaryas, the great teachers. And we get knowledge from the sastra. I may be imperfect, but I get knowledge from the perfect source. That is perfect knowledge.

Just like a child may ask his father that “What is this?” because he is astonished that the sound is very loud. So the child may not know, so inquires from the father, “Father, what is this? So father says, “My dear child, this is microphone. And when you speak through this machine, your sound becomes louder.” So the child takes the knowledge from the father, and if he repeats or he understands firmly, “My father has said. It is perfectly right,” then his knowledge is perfect. The child may be imperfect.

So our Vedic process is like that. We do not make any research. It is not possible to come to the right knowledge by so-called research, because our senses are imperfect. Just like we see through the telescope and we come under certain conclusion, but the fact is that I am the same person seeing through the telescope, and telescope is also manufactured by me or by you. So machine is imperfect and my seeing power is also imperfect. Then how you can have perfect knowledge? The machine is created by a person who has got imperfect knowledge, and the seer is also a person; he is also imperfect. The imperfect person is seeing through the imperfect machine. Then how we can conclude perfect knowledge? This is not possible.

Therefore the method is, according to the Vedic knowledge, that if you want perfect knowledge, then you should approach the perfect person. Tad-vijnanartham sa gurum eva abhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. This is the Vedic injunction. If you want perfect knowledge, then you must approach a perfect person, guru.

Now, at the present moment, there are so many gurus. How we will understand who is perfect? That is also another problem. So that perfection is… That I have already explained, that the child who has heard from his father that “This is microphone” and if he speaks that “This is microphone,” then his knowledge is perfect. The child is not perfect, but because he has heard from the perfect authority, what he is speaking, although he is child, that is perfect. Similarly, this guru means who has heard from the perfect person. Therefore his knowledge is perfect, because he has heard. This is called parampara system or disciplic succession.

In this Bhagavad-gita you will find in the fourth chapter Krsna says, evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. Parampara. Krsna is the original person, perfect, and He says,

imam vivasvate yogam
proktavan aham avyayam
vivasvan manave praha
manur iksvakave ‘bravit
[Bg. 4.1]

evam parampara-praptam
imam rajarsayo viduh
sa kaleneha mahata
yogo nastah parantapa
[Bg. 4.2]

Krsna is explaining to Arjuna. You will find these statements in the fourth chapter of Bhagavad-gita. Krsna said that “This perfect knowledge of yoga system as I am explaining in this…”

Now it is known, Bhagavad-gita. Bhagavad-gita means the, generally in this Western world they say, “Song of God.” So Bhagavad-gita is spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So He said that “This is not a new literature. Millions of years ago I spoke about this yoga system, imam vivasvate yogam proktavan… [Bg. 4.1]. Proktavan means, “I said.” Whom? Vivasvan. Vivasvan is the name of the sungod or the president of the sun planet.

Just like here in this planet we have got presidents in each country. So now there are so many presidents. Formerly even on this planet there was one president. They are trying to be united. The United Nation organization, they want to unite. For the last twenty years the United Nations are trying to unite, but the result is we are disunited. Instead of making one flag, the flags are increasing every year. “This is Pakistan, this is Hindustan, this is this, this is that, this is…” They are not united. How they can be united? They cannot be united because prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27], everyone is under the control of the material nature, full control. So, so long we are in the material world, controlled by the external material energy, there is no possibility of unity. That is not possible.

Because prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah. In prakrti, material nature, there are three different qualities: goodness, passion and ignorance. So all the varieties of life, they are under the control of the material nature and therefore you see varieties of life, varieties. There are three qualities. You multiply three into three. It becomes nine. And if you multiply nine into nine, you become, you see eighty-one. So therefore all these varieties of life, they are being controlled because… Not controlled. He accepts to be controlled. Prakrti does not want. Nature does not want to control you.

Just like police force. Police force is not meant for controlling you. But when you accept to be controlled by police, when you become a criminal, then police force controls you, not that police force is made by the government unnecessarily to control you. No. He’s to help you. Government has arranged policeman in every crossing. They are wandering in the street. They are meant for helping you. They are not meant for controlling you. But when you agree to be controlled by the police, then it will control you. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah [Bg. 3.27]. Then you become under the police control, if you become criminal. And what is that criminality? The criminality is that krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha. Krsna is the original enjoyer, God.

When I speak Krsna, it means God. God has got many names according to different religious system. But the real name is Kristo [pronounced “Kreesto”]. And you will be glad to understand that this Kristo, it is a Greek word, and it is a perverted pronunciation of Krsna, this Greek word. The meaning of Kristo in Sanskrit dictionary and the Greek dictionary always the same, about this word. And from this Kristo the word has got Christo or Christ. So even in Christian world the God’s name is there. Jesus the Christ or Jesus the son of Kristo, or Krsna.

So Lord Jesus Christ said, “My Lord, hallowed be Thy name.” He wants to glorify the name of the Lord. And some people says that there is no name of God. How? If Lord Jesus Christ says “Hallowed by Thy name,” there must be name. The name is there, but he did not pronounce it because the people at that time will not be able to understand or maybe some reason, but he says there is name. So we are making this propaganda, Krsna consciousness movement, the “Hallowed by Thy name. My Lord Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, let Your holy name be glorified.” This is our movement. It is not a sectarian…

It is very scientific movement, scientific movement because at the present moment we are all godless, forgotten what is God and what to speak of His name. They do not believe in God and what to speak of His name, fame, His place, His activities, His form, His qualities. How we can know? There is no educational system about the science of God. This movement, Krsna consciousness movement, is teaching the science of God. And if you accept the name of the God, name of God, Krsna — this is also affirmed in other system also — then you will be able to associate with God immediately. Because God is Absolute. Absolute means there is no difference.

Just like in the relative world… This is relative world. Material world means the relative world. Relative world means the son. As soon as I say “the son,” there must be a father. As soon as I say, “friend,” there must be another man, friend. As soon as I say, “water,” there must be something as water. But in the Absolute world, the name water and the water is the same. This is called Absolute, no different separation. So in the kingdom of God, the God is God and His son is also God. There the everything — there is no difference between the name and the substance. Here in this material world the name and the substance different.

Just like if I am thirsty, I want water, so the water must come to me. If I simply chant, “Water, water, water,” that will not be effective, because it is relative world. But in the transcendental world, Krsna is the name of God and it is God also. So by chanting Hare Krsna, you are directly in contact with God. This is the meaning of Hare Krsna, directly in contact.

Now, if we imitate that “These boys and girls are chanting Hare Krsna. It is a name only. So let me chant… Instead of Krsna, let me chant John,” but that chanting will not help you because you cannot chant more than three, four times or ten times, that’s all. But this is the proof. And this Hare Krsna, this chanting, if you ask these boys and girls, they can chant continually for twenty-four hours in ecstasy, continually, without any stoppage. That is spiritual name. You cannot take any other name and chant and enjoy like that. So it is practical experience. I am touring all over the world, three times in a year, and because this chanting is Absolute, everyone is joining, Europe, America, Africa, Canada, Japan, China, everywhere. Nobody says that “This is a word from India. Why shall I chant the Indian name?” No. It is God’s name. God is neither Indian nor American nor otherwise, neither Christian nor Hindu nor Muslim. God is God.

So we are at the present moment rotting in this material world. Purusah prakrti-sthah. That is also mentioned in the thirteenth chapter. It is said that purusah prakrti-sthah. Where is that verse? (aside:) I told you to…

Purusah prakrti-sthah? Purusah prakrti-stho hi. Yes.

purusah prakrti-stho hi
bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan
karanam guna-sango ’sya
sad-asad-yoni-janmasu
[Bg. 13.22]

Purusa. Purusa means the enjoyer. Everyone of us sitting in this hall, we have got different mentality to enjoy differently, different dress, different mentality, different opinion, because everyone of us we are individual. So this individuality is both in spiritual world and the material world. But in the material world our individuality is different on account of associating or infecting different qualities of the material nature. Just like there are different types of patients in the hospital. Why? Because each and every one of them is infected by different types of germs of disease.

Here it is explained, purusa, the living entity, prakrti-stha, being in this material world. Prakrti means this material world. We do not belong to this material world. Just like a person in the prison house, he is a citizen, but when he goes into the prisonhouse, he has got different sense, different, I mean, punishment, different dress. They are also dressed differently. So similarly, we are all criminals. Criminals. What is that criminality? Because we have forgotten God. This is criminality.

Krsna-bahirmukha hana bhoga vancha kare
(Prema-vivarta).

You will find in this practical experience. Suppose a boy is very rich man’s son. But still, he thinks “Why shall I live under the rules and regulations of my father? Let me go out. I shall enjoy life freely.” Freely, what freedom? You are already rich man’s son. You can enjoy the property of your very, very rich powerful father, and what independence you will enjoy? This is criminality. This is criminality. We are sons of God, part and parcels of God, and God means almighty. So we have got almighty father, and leaving His place, I have come to this material world to enjoy independently. That is criminality. And we are suffering. That is explained here: prakrti-stha, “being placed in this material world,” purusa, bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan, “he is enjoying, but enjoying the quality of the modes of material nature.”

Just like a tiger. He is also enjoying. He is thinking, “I am very strong. I have got so power, so much jaws and nails. I can jump over any animal and immediately kill him.” He is pleased in that position, but, you know, the tiger or the lion, they are so unfortunate that they do not get daily food, in spite of becoming so strong. Because prakrti-jan gunan, he is under the influence of the material nature. He… The tiger may be very powerful, but he remains always hungry. Very powerful. Because the other animals, they know that in that corner of the forest there is tiger, nobody goes there. Where he can get food? Hardly chance, by chance he gets one animal and jumps over it. This is called prakrti-jan gunan. He thought, “By becoming tiger I shall be very much proud of enjoying,” but prakrti says, “No, sir, you cannot get even daily food. That is not possible.” Therefore prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarva… [Bg. 3.27].

Here the so-called tiger, so-called big men… Just like in America the president is a big man. But now he is put into such a condition that he is full of anxiety. At any moment he may be kicked out. This is the position. You cannot be happy either as President Nixon or tiger or cats and dogs or human being or Lord Brahma. That is not possible. That is not possible. You must be full of anxieties because this is unnatural life.

To understand that “I am this body,” this is foolishness. I am not this body. I am the soul within this body. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita in the second chapter: dehino ’smin yatha dehe [Bg. 2.13]. Dehi, the proprietor of the body. Just like you are the proprietor of your shirt and coat. You are not shirt and coat. You are the proprietor of the shirt and coat. You are dressed with shirt and coat in different colors and different shape.

Similarly, the living entity — it does not matter whether he is a man or animal — he is part and parcel of God, but he desired certain dress or certain body, so prakrti, nature, has given him. So this is going on. Purusah prakrti-stho hi [Bg. 13.22]. Purusa means… He is not enjoyer, but he is thinking enjoyer. He is not enjoyer. At any moment his so-called enjoyment will be finished.

Just like in the Western world they are thinking that “We are enjoying life.” Of course, enjoying life in his consideration. But how long, sir, you will enjoy this life? You have got very nice car or very nice building and you are enjoying as Australian, as American. That’s all right. But how long you shall remain American and Australian? That question does not come to the dull brain because he does not know that he is eternal. And this is temporary dress. I… Somehow or other, I wanted this, and prakrti, nature, has given me. But nature has not given me the right to remain as American, Australian, Indian, no. That is not possible. You wanted; you enjoyed this life for a certain time, and then again you create your desire.” Now I am very powerful, very happy. Let me love dog instead of God” — that means you are preparing your next life as dog because it is stated in the Bhagavad-gita that at the time of death the mentality which you have created throughout the whole life, that will carry you to other body process. It is very scientific. Anta-kale tu mam smaran.

So if you train up… You have got this facility of life, comfortable life. Do not misuse it for becoming next life a dog. Utilize it to become next life God. That is success. You have got advanced intelligence, but this intelligence is given to you for understanding God and your position that by forgetting God you are in this material world, and in this material world you are changing one body to another. Sometimes American body, sometimes demigod’s body, sometimes celestial body, sometimes dog’s body, cat’s body, tiger’s body. This science is unknown. But this is the science. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani sarvasah ahankara [Bg. 3.27]. We have got this body, that body, this body, under the direction of the prakrti, material nature. So therefore intelligence is that “If I am eternal…” Na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20]. You are not dying. Hanyamane sarire.

That you can experience practically, daily. How is that? When you sleep at night, then you dream, means subtle body. So these activities of this gross body stop. You again work in the subtle body. You dream that you have gone to somewhere or in the forest or somewhere, somewhere, somewhere. But you forget that “My real body is lying in this bed.” You do not remember. This is practical. So I change this, myself. I am soul. I change from this gross body lying on bed in a very nice apartment, skyscraper building, but I have gone to the forest, and I am affronting a big tiger and I’m crying. In this bed I am crying. The friends say, “Why you are crying?” “Tiger, tiger, tiger.” Where is tiger? This is called subtle body. So you are changing daily at night from this gross body to the subtle body. And again the dream is over, from the subtle body, again to the gross body. Every one of us has got this experience.

Therefore I am the enjoyer, purusa. I am changing simply body, this way or that way. This is my position. So one who is intelligent, that “I change body and different bodies. I am eternal, so what is my eternal business?” This is athato brahma jijnasa. This is called inquiry of the spiritual life. This is very simple thing, that “I am simply changing body. Then what is my real position?” This is intelligent. When a man comes to this position or this platform, to inquire, “Actually what I am?” that is beginning of human life. Otherwise, it is animal life. The animal also thinks, “I am dog,” “I am tiger,” “I am that.” You are none of these, sir. These are all designations, for the temporary, for a certain period, ten years, five years, fifty years, utmost hundred years, then finished. But you are eternal.

So here it is said, purusa. “I am purusa. I am enjoying.” So purusa prakrti-sthah. So long he is in this material body, he bhunkte. Bhunkte means enjoys. Not enjoyment. We think we are enjoying, but we are suffering actually. And because we cannot understand what is suffering… Suffering there is. Sometimes we come to understand. But we are accepting this suffering as enjoying. A man is working very hard, very hard, whole day. He is… This is not enjoyment. You have got a car, but you are running at 70 miles speed, going to your business, and there you are earning hundred and thousands of dollars. So you are thinking that you are enjoying. But this labor is suffering — you forget. And in order to forget this suffering, then I take to wine, take to this, take to that, to forget the suffering.

So actually we are suffering, but we are accepting it as enjoying. This is called illusion. So whatever we are doing in certain type of body in this material world, that is suffering. That is not enjoying. Because why you are placed? Because I wanted to enjoy life like that. So purusa prakrti-stho hi bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan [Bg. 13.22]. And this profit is nothing but acceptance of the quality of material nature. And that is very practical. We can understand. Just like we are getting… I get, say, fifty-thousand dollars in a check. So I think that “I have got fifty thousand dollars.” But what is this fifty thousand dollars? It is a piece of paper. You see? This is called illusion. In this way you study your life, you will see. If you are sober, if you are actually thoughtful, you will find that “This is not my life. This is not my life. But I am falsely thinking that I am enjoying life.” Therefore frustration. Next stage is frustration. Everyone, we are frustrated because we are in this material world.

That, Prahlada Maharaja said, a great devotee, that… His father asked him, “My dear boy, what best thing you have learned?” He said, “My dear father…” He did not say, “father.” His father was first-class materialist. So he addressed him, “the best of the demons,” because anyone who is very much sensuous, very much attached to sense gratification, they are called demon. And those persons who do not indulge in sense gratification but utilize this body or this life for God realization, Krsna realization, they are called gods.

There are two classes of men, demon and god. Those who are engaged in God consciousness they are not God but godly. And those who are not… Because this human life is meant for this purpose. Forgetting our father, forgetting our God, we are criminal within this material world. Therefore our only business is how to get out of this prison house and go back to home, back to Godhead.

So this Krsna consciousness movement is trying to liberate these foolish persons who are entangled in this material world and changing one body after another, sometimes very happy and sometimes very distressed. This is going on.

Therefore Prahlada Maharaja said, tat sadhu manye ’sura-varya dehinam: “My dear father, or the best of the demons, you are asking me, so I say, I have learned this. What is that? That these people who are always full of anxiety,” asad-grahat, “because they have accepted this material world,” tat sadhu manye ’sura-varya dehinam sada samudvigna-dhiyam asad-grahat [SB 7.5.5], “these persons, either in human being or animal or bird and beasts — full of anxieties.”

If you bring one bird… He is free. You give some grains, he will come to eat, but he will look like this: “Nobody is coming to kill me. Nobody comes to kill me.” Similarly, our position is… Even President Nixon, he is also full of anxieties: “When I shall be dethroned? When I shall be dethroned? Let me take protection. Let me take…” Anyone, beginning from Lord Brahma down to the small ant… You… There is ant is going. You stop it by your finger. He will struggle: “Why you are stopping? Why you are stopping, stopping?” This is the way. You will see the ants. When there is water, they carry their eggs on the head and they go on the wall, up. They have also got the same feeling, affection, and anxiety, everything. And the human being or the best human being is Lord Brahma in the topmost planet, whose life is millions and millions of years, he is also full of anxiety.

So Prahlada Maharaja said rightly that “My dear best of the demons, so far I have learned that these living entities in different grades of life,” sada samudvigna-dhiyam, “always full of anxiety.” Why? Asad-grahat: “Because he has accepted this material body, therefore he must be full of anxiety.” Then what is the remedy? Now, hitvatma-patam grham andha-kupam vanam gato yad dharim asrayeta: [SB 7.5.5] “He should give up this material encagement, material home and material thing. He should approach the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Vrndavana or forest and surrender unto Him.” That is the only way.


So if you want to be free of anxieties… Nobody can say that “I am already free of anxiety” unless he is a madman. A madman will say, “I have no anxiety.” But no sane man will say that “I am free of anxiety.” This is material life. So if you want to become free of anxieties, then you come to the spiritual life. That is the only remedy. Harim asrayeta. Accept the lotus feet of God. That is the mission of God. God comes Himself. God sends His son or devotee or servant. The same thing. That religion may be different. That is not very important.

Anyone who has preached… The religious leaders all over the world… Take Lord Jesus Christ or Krsna or Mohammed or Lord Buddha. Nobody has said that “You will be happy in this material world.” Nobody has said. “You continue this manufacturing of factories, and you will be happy.” Has anybody said? No. “Back to home, back to Godhead. Then you will be happy.” This is Krsna consciousness movement, back to home, back to Godhead.

We have go speak many things. We have got books. So try to understand and prepare yourself next life to go back to home, back to Godhead. This is the business of human life. All other business are simply useless waste of time. Thank you very much. [break]

…but the spirit is there. Just like if anyone, relative, dies, father dies — take for instance — he is crying, “My father is gone. My father is gone.” “But where your father has gone? Your father is here, sleeping.” “No no, he is gone.” “But did you see how he has gone? Have you got the eyes? How he has gone? But you did not see. You always saw this material body, flesh.” So as the spirit soul is not flesh, but you can understand that spirit soul has gone.

So in our present experience we see this flesh or mental concoction. But spiritual understanding is different. That you have to do when you are spiritualized. Therefore it is said, atah sri-krsna-namadi na bhaved grahyam indriyaih [Cc. Madhya 17.136]. Indriya means senses. You cannot understand God by your present senses, or godly, kingdom of God. Sevonmukhe hi jihvadau svayam eva sphuraty adah: “But if you engage your service beginning with the tongue, then God reveals.” “God reveals” means He reveals His kingdom, He Himself. That…

These boys are after God. It is not that I have shown him God, but they are realizing, understanding. Otherwise they are not so fool, they’ll waste time. They are understanding. But it is not a subject matter to be seen like this. Neither you have got the eyes to see, neither God or His kingdom is visible in that way. It is to be realized, revelation. That is called revelation. But if you engage yourself in the service of the Lord, everything will be revealed to you. This is the process. [break]

Madhudvisa: When you become Krsna conscious, can you remember your past or see into the future?

Prabhupada: No, we understand past, future, everything present. That is spiritual consciousness. Yes. Just like Krsna says, “I know past, present and future,” similarly, when you also become pure, purified in Krsna consciousness, you’ll also know past, present and future.

Guest (1): [inaudible]

Madhudvisa: The gentleman is asking about the authenticity of Moses.

Prabhupada: Moses. They are representative of God. That’s nice.

Guest (2): How strong is the power of Krsna?

Madhudvisa: How strong is the power of Krsna?

Prabhupada: (laughter) No, that can be explained. Just like there is Atlantic Ocean and Pacific Ocean and you are a drop of it, that’s all. The quality is the same, a drop of Atlantic or Pacific Ocean and the ocean. If you taste the drop, a small drop it is salty — you can understand that the ocean is also salty. But the containing, the contents of salt, that is very small, and the contents of salt in the ocean, that is very big. That you cannot imagine. It is like that. God is like you and me, a person. But He is Pacific Ocean; we are drop. That’s all.

Yes? What is your question? This gentleman, here.

Guest (3): [inaudible]

Madhudvisa: He wants to know what the doctrine of Krsna consciousness is.

Prabhupada: Krsna consciousness means that you are part and parcel of Krsna, or God, you being separated, I have already explained, you are suffering in this material world. So you back to your father, go back to your father and be happy. That’s all.

Guest (4): [inaudible] [break]

Prabhupada: …if you love God. And because we are missing God, we are loving this thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, that thing, and frustration. That very love which is reserved for God, we are applying it in this material world: “I love my country. I love my society. I love my family. I love my dog. I love my… I love.” But I am missing whom to love. That is the point. I am placing my love in so many things, and I am becoming frustrated. So when we understand the love is meant for God, that is our perfection of life. And if you love God, then you love everyone. That is perfect love. Without loving God…

Just like you are the son of your father. So when you love your father, naturally you love your brothers also because you know, “My father will be pleased.” So this is love. That universal love can be possible when you actually love God. Samah sarvesu bhutesu. In material platform that is not possible. But a devotee, a pure lover of God, he loves everyone. Just like we are. Because we have tried to love God, therefore we are wandering, touring all over the world, and the same message, “Please try to love God.” We have no other message because we have understood to some extent that without love of God, they are suffering. So they will be happy when they begin to love God. This is our mission.

Devotee (1): In the Srimad-Bhagavatam, it says that Krsna did not want us to come to this material world. If Krsna did not want us to come, why are we here?

Prabhupada: Yes. You forced Krsna to allow you to come. Just like sometimes a child forces his father. Father says, “My dear son, do not do this. Do not go there.” But he insists, “Oh, I must go. I must go.” “All right, you go at your risk. That’s all. And you suffer. What can be done?” Because you are son of God — God has got independence, full independence, almighty — therefore you have acquired the quality of your father. You have got little independence. So God does not interfere with your little independence. If you persist that “I must go and enjoy independently,” so God says, “All right, you can go.” This is the position. You have to take sanction. That is a fact. But when you persist, God sanctions. And you come and enjoy. Beginning from Lord Brahma down to the worms in the stool, gradually, according to your work, according to your desire, you manufacture your different types of body and enjoy and suffer. That’s all. That is explained. Prakrti-stho hi bhunkte prakrti-jan gunan. And as soon as you, entangled in different types of punishment, not enjoyment but punishment.

So in this way, being punished in different types of life, when we come to the sense… That sense can come in human form of life. When we understand that “I have traveled through, in, transmigrated from many species of life, but every life I can see, not that I have forgotten. Even if I have forgotten, I can see the suffering of the cats, dogs, tiger, man, bulldog and everyone. So I had all these lives in the past. Evolutionary process, I have come to this human. So I suffered all these things. So when the question comes, “Why shall I suffer?” then the inquiry — this is called, Vedanta-sutra, athato brahma jijnasa — the inquiry of God begins. That is human life. Yes.

Guest (5): Prabhupada, Lord Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita that when there is decline of true religion…

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (5): …and when evil increases in the world, that He manifests Himself in a body, a human body, and comes to earth to rescue the human beings from their illusion.

Prabhupada: Yes.

Guest (5): Now these conditions exist today. Is He here in the human form or is He still to come?

Prabhupada: Yes, God has already come.

Guest (5): In what form?

Prabhupada: In the form of name, Hare Krsna.

Guest (5): No, He said He manifests in a human form.

Prabhupada: God has human form, and God is everything. So if He comes in the form of sound, where is your objection? But God is everything. He can come as a human being, or He can come in the form of sound also. Because what is this human being? You are seeing a human being, this flesh. That is combination of matter, combination of matter, earth, water, fire, air, ether. This is combination. What you are seeing? Your eyes are also the combination. But the sound is ether. So if you accept earth as the form, where is your objection to accept ether? Because they are all material.

Guest (5): There are two objections. One is that He said, “I manifest in a human body,” in a human body such as we have here, and also…

Prabhupada: So that requires little intelligence, that anyone who is preaching the holy name of God, he is also God. Anyone who preaches the glories of God, he is also God.

Guest (5): Are you God?

Prabhupada: I am servant of God.

Guest (5): But you’re preaching the holy name of God?

Prabhupada: Yes, that is my business.

Guest (5): But then, by your own words, you are God.

Prabhupada: But that does not mean I am God, but I am equal to God. Or at least you should see like that. That is explained. A guru… That is explained.

saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair
uktas tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih
kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya
vande guroh sri-caranaravindam **

Guru’s position is like this. What is that? Saksad-dhari. He is God. Saksad-dhari. How he is Hari, God? No, samasta-sastraih: “In all revealed scriptures it is explained that ‘Guru, the servant of God, the son of God, the preacher, he is God.’ ” Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastrair uktah: ** “It is said.” Tatha bhavyata eva sadbhih: “Those who are intelligent, they accept like that.” Then next line says, kintu. Why he is God? Kintu prabhor yah priya eva tasya: “He is God because He is very, very dear to God.” So as I said, in the absolute word, God and a person very dear to God, he is also God. But he does not think that he is God. He knows that he is servant of God. It requires little intelligence, spiritual intelligence, the Absolute, how the servant of God and God is the same. [break] Yes.

Guest (6): Do you believe in the Holy Bible?

Prabhupada: Why not? (laughter) It is holy, God’s message. Why shall I not believe?

Devotee: (inaudible)

Madhudvisa: He wants to know how in the beginning, when we are starting to engage in Krsna consciousness, devotional service to God, can you develop enthusiasm and sincerity.

Prabhupada: Yes. The thing is if you want to become a drunkard, you mix with the people who drinks. Then you drink little, little, little. Then you become a big drunkard. Similarly, if you have got little sense that “I shall understand what is God,” this very much qualification, if anyone only wants sincerely that “I will understand what is God,” then your drinking business begins immediately. [break]

Then if you continue, then as the drunkard becomes big drunkard, you become a big devotee. The beginning is that you must be little anxious that how I can understand God. This is the qualification, that’s all. And if you are serious, then God is within you, He will give you intelligence. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gita. Tesam nityabhiyuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam buddhi-yogam dadami tam. When God sees that you are sincere, He is within you, He will dictate you do like this, you do like this, and you will make advance.

Devotee: He is commenting about the (indistinct) (laughter)

Prabhupada: The animal did not understand anything. (laughter and applause) Because he is animal he is thinking like that. Everyone thinks others like him. That is the nature. Atmavat manyate jagat.

There is a story. You will hear it. That one gentleman, he was hard of hearing, hard of hearing. So he is calling his wife Mrs. Such-and-such, Mrs. Such. She is replying, “Yes, I am coming.” But he is hard of hearing. He is thinking that my wife is hard of hearing. She is replying, “Yes, I am coming.” But this rascal is hard of hearing, so he is thinking my wife, that is my wife’s fault, she is hard of hearing. He cannot hear and he is thinking that my wife is hard of hearing. This is the example. A man thinks others like himself.

Guest (7): Is Krsna a person God?

Prabhupada: Yes, God is person, like you and me. You can go and talk with Him, he qualified for that pur… Nitya nitya… This is Vedic injunction. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam (Katha Upanisad 2.2.13). God is eternal among all other eternals. We are all eternal, and God is the chief eternal. Nityo nityanam cetanas cetananam. We are also cognizant and God is also cognizant. The difference is that I am cognizant with a limited space and God is cognizant throughout the whole universe. But He is also cognizant. He is also person. I am also person. What is the difference? Eko bahunam yo vidadhati kaman. That one maintains all these innumerable living entities. Therefore in the Bible you go and ask God give us our daily bread, He is maintaining. That is the difference between God and ourself. We are maintained and God is the maintainer. We are predominated and God is the predominator. That is the difference. Otherwise He is a person, we are also persons. He is eternal, we are eternal. He is cognizant, we are cognizant.

And all the desires and propensities what God has got, we have also got. God has got this propensity to love Radharani. We have got also the same propensity to love another young girl or young boy. So originally it is there. Therefore in the Vedanta-sutra it is said janmady asya yatah [SB 1.1.1]. God means from whom everything has come. So if there is a question of love, the (indistinct) a man loving a woman and woman loving a man, that is in God. It must be there. Otherwise wherefrom it has come?

But that is pure and here it is impure on account of this material contamination. The thing is there but it is contaminated. Therefore you feel frustration. So intelligence is the why shall I remain in this contaminated position? I shall go to the pure platform. That is Krsna consciousness.

Guest (8): Why didn’t anyone see Krsna’s universal form before Arjuna? Krsna said no one has seen before Arjuna. Why is that?

Prabhupada: You become like Arjuna, you will see. First of all you become like Arjuna, friend of Krsna. Then you will see. Do you think you are as good as Arjuna? Krsna says, Arjuna addressing, that I am instructing to you my dear Arjuna, because you are my dear friend. And you are very great devotee. Bhakto ’si priyo ’si me rahasyam etad uttamam [Bg. 4.3]. I am speaking to you this Bhagavad-gita because you are qualified. What is that qualification? Because you are My devotee and very intimate friend. So you become also intimate friend and devotee, you will understand everything. That is our request. If Arjuna becomes a friend and devotee you can also become. Why you are losing this opportunity? That is our propaganda. You also become a friend, a devotee, and be happy and see Krsna as He is simply symbolic representation. He says everyone. Let us take this opportunity and become like Arjuna. That is perfection of life.

I think now we should chant Hare Krsna. Please join us. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 3.27 — Melbourne, June 27, 1974

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By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

73/08/25 London, Bhagavad-gita 2.19-20

Srila Prabhupada:

ya enam vetti hantaram
yas cainam manyate hatam
ubhau tau na vijanito
nayam hanti na hanyate

[Bg. 2.19]

“He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that he is slain does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.”

na jayate mriyate va kadacin
nayam bhutva bhavita va na bhuyah
ajo nityah sasvato ‘yam purano
na hanyate hanyamane sarire

[Bg. 2.20]

“For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.”

So, in different ways, Krsna is trying to convince us how the soul is immortal. Different ways. Ya enam vetti hantaram [Bg. 2.19]. When there is fight, so if one is killed or… So Krsna says that if one thinks that “This man has killed this man,” so, or “This man can kill this man,” this kind of knowledge is not perfect. Nobody kills nobody. Then the butchers, they may say that “Then why do you complain that we are killing?” They’re killing the body, but you cannot kill when there is injunction “Thou shall not kill.” That means you cannot kill the body even without sanction. You cannot kill. Although the soul is not killed, the body is killed, still you cannot kill the body without sanction. That is sinful. For example, that a man is living in some apartment. So some way or other you drive him away from that, illegally, you drive him away. So the man will go out and will take shelter somewhere. That’s a fact. But because you have driven him away from his bona fide position, you are criminal. You cannot say, “Although I have driven away, he’ll get some place.” No. That’s all right, but you have no power to drive him away. He was in his legal position to live in that apartment, and because you have forcibly driven him away you are criminal, you should be punished.

So this argument the butchers or the animal killers or any kind of killer, they cannot put argument. That “Here, Bhagavad-gita says that soul is never killed, na hanyate hanyamane sarire [Bg. 2.20], even after destroying the body. So why you are complaining that we are killing?” So this is the argument, that you cannot even kill the body. That is not allowed. That is sinful. Ubhau tau na vijanito nayam hanti na hanyate. So nobody kills anybody, neither anybody is killed by others. This is one thing. Again, in a different way, Krsna says, na jayate: the living entity never takes birth. The birth is of the body or the death is of the body. Living entity, the spiritual spark, then that being Krsna’s part and parcel, as Krsna does not take birth, does not die… Ajo ‘pi sann avyayatma. You’ll find in the Fourth Chapter. Ajo ‘pi. Krsna is aja. Aja means who never takes birth. Similarly, we being part and parcel of Krsna, we also never take birth. The birth and death is of this body, and we are so absorbed in the bodily concept of life that when there is birth or death of the body we feel the pains and pleasures. There is no pleasure of course. Birth and death, it is very painful. Because… That is already explained. The consciousness of the soul is spread all over the body. Therefore, the pains and pleasures felt on account of this body. So Krsna has already advised that such kinds of pains and pleasure, matra-sparsas tu kaunteya [Bg. 2.14], touching the skin only, one should not be very much bothered. Tams titiksasva bharata. In this way if we think about our position, self-realization, how we are different from the body… Actually, this is meditation. If we think very seriously about ourselves and about the body, that is self-realization. Self-realization means I am not this body, I am aham brahmasmi, I am spirit soul. That is self-realization.

So na jayate na mriyate va kadacit. Kadacit means at anytime, past, present, and future, kadacit. In the past, it is already explained, in the past we existed, maybe in a different body. At present, we are existing, and in the future also, we shall exist, continue to exist, maybe in a different body. Maybe, not. Actually. Tatha dehantara-praptih [Bg. 2.13], because after giving us this body, we have to accept another body. So this is going on. And ignorance, without knowledge of self, we are being kept in ignorance. The so-called educational system, all over the world, there is no such education. They are kept in darkness and ignorance and still so much money is being spent, especially in the Western countries. They have got money, big, big high schools, but what is the production? All fools and rascals. That’s all. Because they do not know. They have no idea what is self. And without this knowledge… Knowledge means self-realization, that “I am not this body; I am spirit soul.” That is knowledge. And knowledge how to eat, how to sleep, how to defend, how to enjoy sex life, and volumes of books on this subject matter, these are not knowledge. They are known even by the cats and dogs. The cats and dogs never read Freud’s philosophy, but they know how to enjoy sex life.

So this dog’s philosophy will not help you, that “I have got this body, and how to enjoy the bodily sex life.” This is dog philosophy. A dog knows all these things. Your philosophy should be how to refrain from sex life. That is knowledge. Tapo divyam [SB 5.5.1]. Tapasya. This human life is meant for tapasya, to refrain from sense gratification. That is knowledge. Not that how to enjoy sex life or sense gratification. This is known to cats and dogs without any education, without any philosophy. The philosophy, pravrttih esam bhutanam nivrtes tu maha-phalam.(?) Pravrtti, every living entity has got this pravrtti, means propensity. What is that? Sense enjoyment. Loke vyavaya ‘misa mada-seva nityas tu jantuh.(?) Jantuh means living being. Nitya, always, he has got the propensity, vyavaya amisa mada-seva. Vyavaya. Vyavaya means sex life and amisa means meat-eating. Vyavaya amisa, mada-seva, and intoxication. These are natural instincts of all living entities, even amongst the ants these propensities are there. Those who have studied… The ants are very much fond of being intoxicated. Therefore, they find out sweet, sugar. Sweet is intoxication. Perhaps you know, all. The liquor is made from sugar. Sugar is fermented with acid, sulphuric acid, and then it is distilled. That is liquor. Therefore too much sweet eating is prohibited.

So loke vyavaya amisa mada-seva nityas tu jantuh. This is propensity. Material life means every living entity has got these propensities. But they have to be restricted. Pravrttih esam bhutanam.(?) That is natural instinct. But if you can stop them, that is your excellence. That is called tapasya. Tapasya means I have got naturally some propensity, but that is not good. Not good in this sense, if we continue that propensity, then we have to accept this material body. This is the law of nature. There is a verse, pramattah. What is called, that…? Now I’m forgetting that. That everyone is mad, mad after sense gratification. Na sadhu manye yata atmano ‘yam asann api klesada asa dehah. So long we’ll continue this propensity of sense enjoyment, you’ll have to accept body. That is birth and death. So long. Therefore, the process should be how to make zero all these propensities. That is perfection. Not to enhance it. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4]. Nunam, alas, indeed, pramattah, these madmen. They are mad, those who are after these propensities, vyavaya amisa mada-seva, sex, intoxication and meat-eating. They’re all madmen. Pramattah. Nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. Vikarma means activities which are prohibited. We see, for these three things, amisa-mada-sevaya, for sex life, for meat-eating, for drinking, people are working. Not only working, dishonestly working. How to get money, how to get money, the black market, white market, this, that, only for these three things: amisa-mada-seva. Meat-eating, intoxication. [break] Why? Amisa-mada-sevaya. Simply for this sex, meat-eating and drinking. Amisa-mada-sevaya. In the Vedic literature, they have studied analytically, not now, since very, very long time. You see? This is natural inclination. The creation is not new. There were many, many creations.

So all the records are there. So it is not new thing. Therefore, nunam pramattah kurute vikarma yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti [SB 5.5.4]. This is the instruction of Rsabhadeva to His sons. “My dear sons, don’t be misled. These rascal fools, they have become mad after these things, meat-eating, intoxication and sex life.” Na sadhu manye, “It is not good at all.” Na sadhu manye. “I don’t allow, I don’t say it is very good. It is not at all good.” Na sadhu manye. “Why it is not good? We are enjoying life.” Yes, you are enjoying now, but yata atmano ‘yam asann api klesada asa dehah [SB 5.5.4]. So long you will continue with these things, you’ll have to accept body, and when you accept body, there must be birth, there must be death, there must be disease, and there must be, what is called, old age. You’ll suffer. You’ll suffer. But your actual position is na jayate. You do not take birth, but you have conditioned yourself to take birth. Actually, your position is no birth, eternal life. As Krsna is eternal, similarly, every one of us we are eternal because we are part and parcel of Krsna — the same quality. As Krsna is sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah [Bs. 5.1], He is form, transcendental form, eternal form, full of knowledge, full of bliss, similarly we are also, although particle, the same quality. Therefore it is said, na jayate. This problem, this rascal civilization, they cannot understand that I am eternal, I am put into this condition of birth and death. No rascal understands. So-called philosophers, scientists, all of them, therefore rascals, fools. Reject them. Reject them immediately. That working hard. The same: nunam pramattah kurute vikarma [SB 5.5.4]. Just like madman works. What is the value of madman’s work? If he’s busy whole day and night, I am very busy. So what you are sir? You are a madman. Your brain is cracked, crazy. So what is the value of your work? But this is going on.

So Krsna consciousness, you just imagine how important movement it is. It is the best welfare activities for the human society. They are all fools and rascals, and they have no knowledge, ignorant of their constitutional position, and they are unnecessarily working hard day and night. Therefore they have been said, mudha. Mudha means ass. The ass works day and night for the washerman for little grass. Grass is available everywhere, but he, still, he thinks that “If I do not work for the washerman, very hard, I’ll not get this grass.” This is called ass. Therefore, when one becomes intelligent after cultivating knowledge, one becomes intelligent by and by. First of all brahmacari. Then, if one cannot remain a brahmacari, all right, take a wife, grhastha. Then give up, vanaprastha. Then take sannyasa. This is the process. The mudha, they’ll work day and night for sense gratification.

Therefore, at a certain period of life, that stupidity should be given up and taken sannyasa. No, finished. That is sannyasa. Now this portion of life should be completely for Krsna’s service. That is real sannyasa. Anasritah karma-phalam karyam karma karoti yah. It is my duty to serve Krsna, I am eternal servant of… Karyam. Must I do it, must I serve Krsna. That is my position. That is sannyasa. Anasritah karma-phalam karyam karma karoti yah. The karmis, they are expecting some good result for sense gratification. That is karmi. And sannyasi means… They are also working very hard, but not for sense gratification. For the satisfaction of Krsna. That is sannyasa. This is sannyasa and karmi. Karmi also works very hard, harder and harder but all for this amisa-mada-seva. Amisa-mada-seva. Vyavaya, only for sex life, eating meat, and intoxication. And a devotee works in the same way, hard, but for Krsna’s satisfaction. This is the difference. And if you, one life before, like this, no more sense gratification, simply for Krsna, then you come to this position, na jayate, no more death, no more birth. Because your position is na jayate na… That is your actual position. But because you are in ignorance, pramattah, you have become mad, you have become crazy; therefore you have taken to this process of sense gratification. Therefore you are entangled in a material body, and the body is changing. That is called birth and death.

So if you stop, if you want to stop this birth and death, don’t indulge in sense gratification. Then again entangle.

nunam pramattah kurute vikarma
yad indriya-pritaya aprnoti
na sadhu manye yata atmano ‘yam
asann api klesada asa dehah
[SB 5.5.4]

“All right, this body is for few years, it will be ended.” And that’s all right. It will be ended, but you’ll have to accept another body. The body, accepting the (or) accepting another body, you have to because you have got desire, sense gratification. So sense gratification means you must have material senses to gratify. So Krsna is so pleased, so merciful, not pleased, but He’s very merciful, “All right, this rascal wants like this. Give him this facility. All right. This rascal wants to eat stool. All right. Let him have a body of pig.” This is going on, nature’s law.

So this knowledge, Bhagavad-gita knowledge, is so perfect for the human society. And Krsna wants that this knowledge should be spread because everybody, sarva-yonisu kaunteya sambhavanti murtayah… [Bg. 14.4]. He’s the seed-giving father. Father is naturally well-wisher that: “These rascals, they are suffering, prakrti-sthani. Manah sasthanindriyani prakrti-sthani karsati [Bg. 15.7]. Simply by, guided by mental speculation, manah, and assisted by the senses, they are struggling so hard. And if they come back to Me they can live so nicely, as My friend, as My lover, as My father, as My mother, Vrndavana. So claim again, call them.” That… Therefore, Krsna comes. Yada yada hi dharmasya [Bg. 4.7]. Because the whole world is running on under the false impression of sense enjoyment, therefore He comes and advises, sarva-dharman parityajya: [Bg. 18.66] “You rascal, give up all this engagement. Don’t be proud that you are scientifically advanced. You are all rascals. Give up this nonsense. Come to Me. I’ll give you protection.” This is Krsna. How merciful He is. And the same business should be done by Krsna’s servant. Not to become a great yogi, magic player. No, that is not required. Simply speak what Krsna says. Then you become spiritual master. Don’t speak anything nonsense. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also said, yare dekha tare kaha krsna’-upadesa [Cc. Madhya 7.128]. Simply you preach the instruction of Krsna, whomever you meet. Then you become spiritual master. That’s all. Very simple thing.

Thank you very much. (end)

>>> Ref. VedaBase => Bhagavad-gita 2.19 — London, August 25, 1973

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Chanting for Liberation

A conversation about the Hare Krsna mantra between Srila Prabhupada and John Lennon, Yoko Ono, and George Harrison

Montreal Star, June, 1969:
Reporter: Where do you get your strength?
John Lennon: From Hare Krsna.
Yoko: That’s where we get it from, you know. We’re not denying it.

In September 1969. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, founder-acarya (spiritual master) of the Hare Krsna movement, arrived as a house guest at Tittenhurst Park, the beautiful eighty-acre British estate owned by John Lennon. Three or four times a week, the Swami, who later became known to the world as Srila Prabhupada, gave public lectures in a tall, stately building at the northern end of the property a hundred yards from the main house, in which John and Yoko lived.
The building had been formerly used as a hall for chamber-music recitals, but now several of Srila Prabhupada’s disciples, who resided along with him in a block of guest houses on the property, installed a small Deity altar and a podium for Srila Prabhupada. The building never really had a name, but after Srila Prabhupada’s arrival, everyone called it “the Temple.”
They still call it “the Temple” today, and except for the recent addition of an enormous crimson-and-gold pipe organ nearly covering the towering west wall, it exists unchanged, now surrounded by a recording-studio complex owned by Ringo Starr.
On September 14, John, Yoko, and George Harrison, after enjoying an Indian vegetarian meal prepared by the devotees at the Temple, walked over to Srila Prabhupada’s quarters for their first meeting.

CABH 2.1: Which Mantra to Chant

Which Mantra to Chant

Yoko Ono: If Hare Krsna is such a strong, powerful mantra, is there any reason to chant anything else? For instance, you talked about songs and different mantras. Is there any point in the chanting of another song or mantra?

Srila Prabhupada: There are other mantras, but the Hare Krsna mantra is especially recommended for this age. But other Vedic mantras are also chanted. As I told you, the sages would sit with musical instruments, like the tamboura, and chant them. For instance, Narada MuniA liberated sage who travels throughout the universe preaching love of God.* is always chanting mantras and playing his stringed instrument, the vina. So chanting out loud, with musical instruments, is not a new thing. It’s been done since time immemorial. But the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra is especially recommended for this age. This is stated in many Vedic literatures, such as the Brahmanda Purana, the Kalisantarana Upanisad, the Agni Purana. and so forth. And apart from the statements of the Vedic literature, Lord Krsna Himself, in the form of Lord Caitanya, preached that everyone should chant the Hare Krsna mantra. And many people followed Him. When a scientist discovers something, it becomes public property. People may take advantage of it. Similarly, if a mantra has potency, all people should be able to take advantage of it. Why should it remain secret? If a mantra is valuable, it is valuable for everybody. Why should it be for only a particular person?

John Lennon: If all mantras are just the name of God, then whether it’s a secret mantra or an open mantra it’s all the name of God. So it doesn’t really make much difference, does it, which one you sing?

Srila Prabhupada: It does make a difference. For instance, in a drug shop they sell all types of medicines for curing different diseases. But still you have to get a doctor’s prescription in order to get a particular type of medicine. Otherwise, the druggist won’t supply you. You might go to the drug shop and say, “I’m diseased. Please give me any medicine you have.” But the druggist will ask you, “Where is your prescription?”

CABH 2.2: Prescription for the Age of Kali

Prescription for the Age of Kali

Similarly, in this age of KaliThe present age, which began five thousand years ago, characterized in the ancient Vedic scriptures as the age of quarrel and hypocrisy.* the Hare Krsna mantra is prescribed in the sastras, or scriptures. And the great teacher Caitanya Mahaprabhu, whom we consider to be an incarnation of God, also prescribed it. Therefore, our principle is that everyone should follow the prescription of the great authorities. Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah. We should follow in the footsteps of the great authorities. That is our business. The Mahabharata states, “Dry arguments are inconclusive. A great personality whose opinion does not differ from others is not considered a great sage. Simply by studying the Vedas, which are variegated, one cannot come to the right path by which religious principles are understood. The solid truth of religious principles is hidden in the heart of an unadulterated, self-realized person. Consequently, as the sastras affirm, one should accept whatever progressive path the mahajanas advocate.” [Mahabharata, Vana-parva, 313.117] This Vedic mantra says that if you simply try to argue and approach the Absolute Truth, it is very difficult. By argument and reason it is very difficult, because our arguments and reason are limited. And our senses are imperfect. There are many confusing varieties of scriptures, and every philosopher has a different opinion, and unless a philosopher defeats other philosophers, he cannot become recognized as a big philosopher. One theory replaces another, and therefore philosophical speculation will not help us arrive at the Absolute Truth. The Absolute Truth is very secret. So how can one achieve such a secret thing? You simply follow the great personalities who have already achieved success. So our Krsna consciousness philosophical method is to follow the great personalities, such as Lord Krsna, Lord Caitanya, and the great spiritual masters in disciplic succession. Take shelter of bona fide authorities and follow them-that is recommended in the Vedas. That will take you to the ultimate goal.

CABH 2.3: You Can’t Manufacture a Mantra

You Can’t Manufacture a Mantra

Evam parampara-praptam: In this way, by disciplic succession, the knowledge is coming down. Sa kaleneha mahata yogo nastah parantapa: But in the course of time the succession was broken. Therefore, Krsna says, I am speaking it to you again. So a mantra should be received from the disciplic succession. The Vedic injunction is sampradaya-vihina ye mantras te nisphala matah. If your mantra does not come through the disciplic succession, it will not be effective. Mantras te nisphala. Nisphala means that it will not produce the desired result. So the mantra must be received through the proper channel, or it will not act. A mantra cannot be manufactured. It must come from the original Supreme Absolute, coming down through the channel of disciplic succession. It has to be received in that way, and only then will it act.

According to our Krsna consciousness philosophy, the mantra is coming down through four channels of disciplic succession: one through Lord Siva, one through the goddess Laksmi, one through Lord Brahma, and one through the four Kumaras. The same thing comes down through different channels. These are called the four sampradayas, or disciplic successions. So, one has to take his mantra from one of these four sampradayas; then only is that mantra active. If we receive the mantra in that way, it will be effective. And if one does not receive his mantra through one of these sampradaya channels, then it will not act; it will not give fruit.

Yoko Ono: If the mantra itself has such power, does it matter where you receive it, where you take it?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it does matter. For instance, milk is nutritious. That’s a fact; everyone knows. But if milk is touched by the lips of a serpent, it is no longer nutritious. It becomes poisonous.

Yoko Ono: Well, milk is material.

Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it is material. But since you are trying to understand spiritual topics through your material senses, we have to give material examples.

Yoko Ono: Well, no, I don’t think you have to give me the material sense. I mean, the mantra is not material. It should be something spiritual; therefore, I don’t think anybody should be able to spoil it. I wonder if anybody can actually spoil something that isn’t material.

Srila Prabhupada: But if you don’t receive the mantra through the proper channel, it may not really be spiritual.

John Lennon: How would you know, anyway? How are you able to tell? I mean, for any of your disciples or us or anybody else who goes to any spiritual master how are we to tell if he’s for real or not?

Srila Prabhupada: You shouldn’t go to just any spiritual master.

CABH 2.4: Who’s a Genuine Guru?

Who’s a Genuine Guru?

John Lennon: Yes, we should go to a true master. But how are we to tell one from the other?

Srila Prabhupada: It is not that you can go to just any spiritual master. He must be a member of a recognized sampradava, a particular line of disciplic succession.

John Lennon: But what if one of these masters who’s not in the line says exactly the same thing as one who is? What if he says his mantra is coming from the Vedas and he seems to speak with as much authority as you? He could probably be right. It’s confusing like having too many fruits on a plate.

Srila Prabhupada: If the mantra is actually coming through a bona fide disciplic succession, then it will have potency.

John Lennon: But the Hare Krsna mantra is the best one?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes.

Yoko Ono: Well, if Hare Krsna is the best one, why should we bother to say anything else other than Hare Krsna?

Srila Prabhupada: It’s true, you don’t have to bother with anything else. We say that the Hare Krsna mantra is sufficient for one’s perfection, for liberation.

George Harrison: Isn’t it like flowers? Somebody may prefer roses, and somebody may like carnations better. Isn’t it really a matter for the individual devotee to decide? One person may find that Hare Krsna is more beneficial to his spiritual progress, and yet another person may find that some other mantra may be more beneficial for himself. Isn’t it just a matter of taste, like choosing a flower? They’re all flowers, but some people may like one better than another.

Srila Prabhupada: But still there is a distinction. A fragrant rose is considered better than a flower without any scent.

Yoko Ono: In that case, I can’t

Srila Prabhupada: Let’s try to understand this flower example.

Yoko Ono: O.K.

Srila Prabhupada: You may be attracted by one flower, and I may be attracted by another flower. But among the flowers a distinction can be made. There are many flowers that have no fragrance and many that have fragrance.

Yoko Ono: Is that flower that has fragrance better?

Srila Prabhupada: Yes. Therefore, your attraction for a particular flower is not the solution to the question of which is actually better. In the same way, personal attraction is not the solution to choosing the best spiritual process. In Bhagavad-gita [4.11], Lord Krsna says, “All of them-as they surrender unto Me-I reward accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of Prtha.” Krsna is the Supreme Absolute. If someone wants to enjoy a particular relationship with Him, Krsna presents Himself in that way. It’s just like the flower example. You may want a yellow flower, and that flower may not have any fragrance. That flower is there; it’s for you, that’s all. But if someone wants a rose, Krsna gives him a rose. You both get the flower of your choice, but when you make a comparative study of which is better, the rose will be considered better.

Yoko Ono: I see a pattern in what you’ve said. For instance, you said that Hare Krsna is the most superpowerful word. And if that is true, then why do we bother to utter any other words? I mean, is it necessary? And why do you encourage us, saying that we’re songwriters and all, to write any other song than Hare Krsna?

Srila Prabhupada: Chanting the Hare Krsna mantra is the recommended process for cleaning our hearts. So actually one who chants Hare Krsna regularly doesn’t have to do anything else. He is already in the correct position. He doesn’t have to read any books.

Yoko Ono: Yes, I agree. So why do you say that it’s all right to write songs, speak, and all that? It’s a waste of time, isn’t it?

Srila Prabhupada: No, it’s not a waste of time. For instance, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu would spend most of His time simply chanting. He was a sannyasi, a member of the renounced spiritual order of life. So, He was criticized by great sannyasis, who said, “You have become a sannyasi, and yet You do not read the Vedanta-sutra. You are simply chanting and dancing.” In this way, they criticized His constant chanting of Hare Krsna. But when Caitanya Mahaprabhu met such stalwart scholars, He did not remain silent. He established the chanting of Hare Krsna by sound arguments based on the Vedic scriptures.

CABH 2.5: Chanting for Liberation

Chanting for Liberation

Chanting Hare Krsna is sufficient for liberation; there is no doubt about it. But if someone wants to understand the Hare Krsna mantra through philosophy, through study, through Vedanta, then we do not lack information. We have many books. But it is not that the Hare Krsna mantra is somehow insufficient and therefore we are recommending books. The Hare Krsna mantra is sufficient. But when Caitanya Mahaprabhu was chanting, He sometimes had to meet opposing scholars, such as Prakasananda Sarasvati and Sarvabhauma Bhattacarya. And then He was ready to argue with them on the basis of Vedanta. So, we should not be dumb. If someone comes to argue with Vedanta philosophy, then we must be prepared. When we are preaching, many different types of people will come with questions. We should be able to answer them. Otherwise, the Hare Krsna mantra is sufficient. It does not require any education, any reading, or anything else. Simply by chanting Hare Krsna, you get the highest perfection. That’s a fact.

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Ananya-bhak-without deviation!

Hare KrishnaBy His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

Tamala Krsna Goswami: “It is better to live in this world by begging than to live at the cost of the lives of great souls who are my teachers. Even though they are avaricious, they are nonetheless superiors. If they are killed, then our spoils will be tainted with blood [Bg. 2.5].”

Srila Prabhupada: This is another indication how superiors should be shown respect. Arjuna says, “Although they have become avaricious, still, they are my superior.” Avaricious, why? “They have got full affection for me. My grandfather Bhisma has got full affection for me. And Dronacarya, I am his very dear student so he has also my very affection… good affection for me. But because Duryodhana has paid them, he has accepted their service. Paid them. So avaricious. Simply for money, in spite of so much affection and intimate relationship, they have accepted the service of Duryodhana, counting on money. So therefore they are avaricious. But in spite of their being avaricious, they are my respectful.” This is respect. This is respect, that the respectful person who is my respectful, even there are some characteristics who does not command respect, still respect should be offered. This is a respectful offering. Yes. Sometimes it may be. The example is given. In the Bhagavad-gita you’ll find, api cet sudaracaro bhajate mam ananya-bhak sadhur eva sa mantavyah [Bg. 9.30]. “Even a devotee is sometimes found not acting properly, but because he has got that unflinching faith and devotion upon Me,” Krsna says, “therefore he is saint.” Only for that one qualification — he does not know except Krsna. So to such person, even some flaws are found in their character… Just like we have imposed some rules that illicit sex relationship and intoxication, meat-eating, so many things. So… Of course, intentionally one should not break these laws. But even sometimes we may find that there is some flaw in one’s part… Suppose if I see somebody smoking, but he is doing Krsna consciousness very nicely. So we should not deride. We shall give him concession to reform. It does not mean that because he has accidentally smoked, smoking, that does not mean he has become immediately disqualified. As Arjuna is showing: “Although they have become avaricious, still, they are my superiors. Still. Still, they are my superiors.” This is called unflinching faith. In spite of seeing my respectful superior abominable, not willingly, but by accident, still, I should not withdraw my respect. That is the… Hmm.”

-B.G.2.1-10 and talk, Los Angeles, 25. November.1968

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